Designing our “Best Life” with help from Montana Money Adventures Mentoring Questions

One of the biggest “Aha!” moments for me came from finding Jillian from Montana Money Adventures, initially while listening to her podcast on ChooseFI and then reading her article “Big Family Minimalism,” on Cait Flander’s website. I signed up for her email list in order to gain access to her awesome Resource Library, which contains mentoring questions and “Let’s Chat Worksheets.” These are pages of guided discussion and questions that can really challenge us to address what our true goals and passions are, instead of simply following the path of least resistance and hoping we end up somewhere decent.

This idea of intentionally designing the life I want started during my 3rd year of training when I realized that I wasn’t doing ANY of the stuff I enjoyed and was suffering from severe burnout as a result. After a few years of pondering these topics on my own, I was ecstatic to find Jillian’s excellent guidance. Answering these questions is HARD! Josh and I have been working through them together, and we can only do a few questions at a time before we are a little worn out mentally, and it takes us a few days to complete a worksheet. Nevertheless, going through the worksheets together has been a wonderful exercise for our relationship; it has gotten us communicating about these ambitious big goals and deeper motivations, and it has definitely helped us understand one another better. We will often be mulling over the same question and, lo and behold, come up with the same answers. It’s also amazing to hear him come up with a totally different answer than mine, as I then have something entirely new to consider. I definitely recommend these resources to any individual or couple who is interested in mindfully constructing their lives and purposely cultivating relationships, careers, possessions, time-management skills, etc.

I contacted Jillian by email to ask her permission to post the worksheets completed with our answers, and she graciously agreed. If you find value in these posts, please head over to her website  and sign up for her email list, so that you can have access to her entire resource library. She never sends emails that aren’t very insightful and beneficial.

We decided to start our mentoring questions with the worksheet titled, “Highlight Reel.” The following is our completed worksheet…
What were the most significant moments from the last year?

Joy graduating general surgery residency.

Esmé being born.

Starting our website and podcast.

Starting research year.

Joy taking time to spend with the girls, having a real maternity leave with this one.

Finding FI information

Interviewing for jobs together.

What are our best memories from the last 10 years?

Eddy being born.

Esme being born.

Trip to Big Sur.

Matching at Mayo.

Music festivals together.

10 year anniversary

Choosing our sub-specialties—being liberated from pressure of doing cardiac/peds neurosurgery

Family vacation to smoky mountains

Family get-togethers in Nashville

Watching Archer on maternity leave with Eddy (seriously one of the most fun memories I have. We watched two episodes every night and laughed our heads off).

Camping trips

Duluth trip

Joy-trip to Ukraine and Guatemala

Joy-trip to ACS 2017 meeting global surgery sessions

What do we wish we would have done in the last 10 years?

Travel more for global health projects

Gotten an MPH or MBA during residency

Been more active in global surgery world instead of putting it on hold for training

Gone on more family vacations

Decided to do trauma earlier, let cardiac go earlier, not let myself become burned out

More date nights

What are our most significant achievements? What are we most proud of?

Beautiful girls. Toddler who is very sweet, affectionate, and confident.

Breastfeeding for 2.5 years.

Strong marriage through all of education and training challenges and parenting. Staying best friends and supporting one another.

Couples matching at Mayo.

Both of us succeeding through specialty training.

Living below our means during training despite needing SO MUCH childcare.

What would be amazing to see happen in the NEXT five or ten years?

Significant involvement in high-impact global surgery projects focused on alleviating suffering.

Network of folks working toward the same goal.

Girls traveling with us frequently and understanding our mission.

Spending down time near our extended families (hopefully moving closer to home)

Financial independence with funds for early mini-retirement.

Indie Docs having regular post and reaching anyone who might find it helpful (easily visible).

Financial highlights:

What are a few money goals we would love to hit? In five years? Ten years? Twenty years?

5-years: Debts paid, Financial independence with enough $$ for mini-retirement, couple of investment properties to maintain income while overseas, kids college funds fully-funded.

10-years: Enough money to give away generously to projects we believe in, passive income to sustain personal finances and giving and Indie Docs ventures.

20-years: Solidly funded full-retirement accounts, high-impact projects that are self-sustaining and more projects that we are investing in.

Do we have a net-worth goal?

Sorta. Arbitrary “fat-FIRE goal” of $3-3.5 million. Highly subject to change.

Passive income goal?

$3000/month or enough to just tread water when we are out of the country or not working (don’t really know about this number specifically )

Is our goal to pay off our home?

Yes

Certain amount or percentage donated or in a donor-advised fun?

Would like to eventually be able to donate all income.

Certain size inheritance to pass on?

Enough to fund kids retirement so they are able to pursue whatever career they are most passionate about.

Lifestyle Highlights

Any health/physical highlights that seem exciting to you?

Staying healthy and energetic, being able to do certain body weight exercises like pull-ups and pistol squats, and increasing flexibility to stay injury-free (for Joy).

General fitness, daily exercise would be a win (for Josh). 

Any relationship highlights you want to add?

We want to be more intentional about doing fun and exciting things together, being more affectionate, having deeper conversations.

Get to work together on passion projects.

Travel goals?

Definitely want to be traveling regularly to sites of our global surgery projects.

Also would like some fun adventure travel to unplug and recharge.

Work highlights you would love to hit? Certain position/rank/awards/contribution?

Become confident and experienced surgeons.

Don’t care about rank or position.

Would like our practices to be impactful for local community.

If I’m running a private practice, would like to be maximizing impact and using smart financial strategies and tax strategies to run the business successfully.

It would be a huge bonus to be able to get back into academic medicine within the sphere of global health so we can be 100% into global neurosurgery and global trauma surgery AND teach residents AND publish high-impact projects that lead to real progress in these areas.

What would a highlight in your schedule be? In 10 years, about what would you like to be able to look back and say, “We always made time for…”

Time for family and each other. Want to have time to indulge in play activities in the evenings, take our time with meals and housework without feeling like we are rushing through the daily routine. Time to travel. Time for birthdays and special occasions with cousins.

Are there any highlights you want to create from your hobbies?

Start white-water kayaking and more “glamping” adventures in the mountains, time outdoors. 

Impact Highlights?

What kind of impact do we want to leave in the world?

Alleviate suffering for a lot of people permanently, sustainably.

Create some new trauma systems where there aren’t any currently.

Improve the resilience of current trauma systems in settings of disasters.

Happy and generous, empathetic kids and grandkids

Create some training programs for neurosurgery, trauma and general surgery.

How would we finish these sentences?

The world is better because I…

Used my training to impact communities.

Paid attention to what people need.

Used my income to help people.

Told the stories of hard-working humanitarians.

Tried to help.

People around me are better because I …

Worked on my weaknesses.

Tried to become kinder, more thoughtful, and generous.

Don’t allow myself to become over-extended and grouchy, not exist in “survival mode” which makes us just try to make it through the day and through interactions with others. Make sure each interaction is dealt with thoughtfully and mindfully paying attention to that person. Treat people as people and not a task on the list.

When my time on this earth is done, how do I want each of these people to describe my contribution: Spouse, kids, extended family, coworkers, community members, customers, friends?

This section is pretty personal and unique for each individual, so I just left this set of questions here for you to ponder on your own. 

For Conversation:

What’s your “most important” and what is “the rest”?

(Joy) My most important is having a happy marriage, making sure Josh feels loved and cherished, loving my two girls and keeping them safe and healthy, and having a career that feels like a calling. For me, “the rest” is academic prestige, stuff like cars and a fancy house, yuppy vacations.

(Josh) Most important: Caring for the poor. If I get to the end of my life and haven’t done that, I’ll think I haven’t done the thing that was really important.

What kinds of things do you want on your highlight reel?

Joyful and hard work that made a lot of people’s lives better. Generous giving of our time, money, and energy.

By creating more financial freedom, what would that make possible?

The main thing that having financial freedom would make possible would be control over our schedule so that we can travel and work overseas. We would also be able to choose any job or assignment that was a good fit for us, and we would be able to give generously to causes that we were passionate about.

What a neurosurgeon can learn from a beer brewer: The dangers of playing it safe.

It’s odd the places you find concepts that bring your life and goals into focus.  I never thought the founder of Sam Adams —Jim Koch—a guy whose name I didn’t even know, would say something that changed my perception of what’s at stake in choosing a career path (full disclosure: I am biased against Sam Adams because I don’t like their beer much, and if there’s one thing I have impeccable taste in, it’s beer). I came across the story as told by Jim Koch in the podcast, How I Built This with Guy Raz. 

Jim tells the story of how he finished business and law school and got a great job at a firm called Boston Consulting Group (BCG). The pay was high and he flew first class to important meetings with important people, but he came to the realization that he did not want to do the job the rest of his life, and if he didn’t want to do it the rest of his life, then why do it tomorrow? So he quit that job and decided to…brew beer?!

His reason for leaving that great job is fascinating, he says:

I left it because staying there was very risky. Leaving it was not risky. And it’s the difference in life between things that are scary and things that are dangerous. And there are plenty of things that are scary but aren’t dangerous, and there are things that are dangerous, but not scary. And those are the things that get you.

He goes on to give an analogy in climbing. Rappelling down a rock wall is scary because you are jumping down a huge cliff, but it’s not dangerous because you are held by strong ropes and a harness. On the other hand, walking down the side of a mountain on a sunny day with blue skies around you is dangerous, but not scary. It’s prime weather for an avalanche that could easily kill you, but the beauty of the day lulls you into a sense of security. He elucidates further about his great job:

Staying at BCG, was dangerous but not scary, and the danger there, the risk of it, was continuing to do something that didn’t make me happy, and getting to, you know, 65 and looking back and going, “Oh my God, I wasted my life.” That is risk. That is danger.

As I look for a job after residency, I think a lot about this idea, that there are things that are perilous, but do not raise alarm. The job choice all residents face out of residency is private vs academic. I won’t go into the differences, as I’m sure most of you reading this know,  but I’ve always leaned academic.

I have been fortunate to train at a great neurosurgery program with wonderful mentors who have excelled in academia and are master surgeons. The thing about mentors is they make you want to follow in their footsteps, to do what they did because they are inspiring people. I like the academic side of medicine. But it’s a regimented path that requires discipline, dedication, and persistence to be successful. It doesn’t leave a lot of room for other pursuits. 

I don’t have any illusions that if I decided to pursue academic neurosurgery I would eventually be the chair of a renowned department or the president of one of the neurosurgical societies. Heck, right now, I’ve applied to more than a couple of academic positions and I can’t even get an interview. But academic neurosurgery is a clear path to pursue with well-defined goals and milestones. It doesn’t seem scary at all to me.

Pursuing a career in global health, on the other hand, seems quite the opposite. I worry about how Joy and I will raise our daughters in a different country (how will they be educated? what risks will they be exposed to?), how will our finances work out (where will our funding come from? our retirement?), what if we fail (what will job prospects look like then?), and many, many other things from dying from some strange virus to not having access to good beer (it’s the little things after all). 

But when I sit in the quiet moments, late at night when I am honest with myself, it’s taking the defined path, the one that doesn’t FEEL risky, that I am terrified of looking back on and saying “Oh my God, I wasted my life.” 

Trying to think about my life from the perspective of my 65 year old self is an insightful exercise. I imagine myself at the end of a career at a major academic neurosurgery program, I’ve mentored a lot of young surgeons, done interesting cases, I spend my day mostly doing the surgeries I like, and writing the papers I want to write, etc. When I think about that, I still find this nagging part of me that feels, well, unfulfilled. I don’t mean to disparage people who do this; I have benefitted immensely from people who found this was the right path for them. I also acknowledge that there are inspiring people in academics who have successfully pursued global neurosurgery projects (Dr. Haglund at Duke comes first to mind), but something in me just seems to say it’s not the right path for me. I also worry I could be diverted or distracted or not be able to devote enough time to my main goal.

When I think about dedicating my career to trying to improve neurosurgical care and education, as well as learning how people are already providing this care around the globe in resource-strapped settings, I get excited with the kind of feeling you get when you are clicking up the first hill of a roll-a-coaster held down by a harness. It feels scary, but people are there doing it with you and others have done it before you. When my 65-year-old-self thinks about looking back on that life, he has a deep satisfaction and peace.

I can’t say completely why dedicating a career to improving care in resource-limited settings has become my version of a life well-lived. I think it’s partly because I was raised in a Christian home, and the aspect of that upbringing that rang truest to me was that a life well-lived is one in which you gave up some comfort of your own to provide comfort for others less fortunate than you. That principle has stuck with me when a lot of other parts have faded.  And I’ve come to realize I’m not really choosing a career between private practice and academics; I’m choosing between the defined and undefined, the well-trodden path versus my own unique one. 

When it comes down to it, the things I worry about in working in global health are mainly logistical, not dangerous. Lots of missionaries have raised and educated kids across the globe. There are ways around the financial concerns. Strange viruses could pop up anywhere. And I can always home-brew. But the chance to pursue a career that you feel lines up with a truth you intrinsically and inexplicably hold regarding what gives your life purpose and meaning, you only have one lifetime to make that happen. The more I think about that, passing on it, or pursuing it only half-way, is the real danger. 

~ Josh

What are we waiting for? Holding-back vs. casting-off into the global surgery world

We are overdue for a “state-of-the-union” post. Part of the reason is because I started this blog in a big state-of-transition; I was at the end of residency and then at the end of pregnancy, so any post about where we are would have been instantly obsolete.

I can do a brief recap of the past 6 months or so (a more full audio version of a lot of this is in our first podcast episode).  I had just decided to take a research position here in Rochester so that I could take maternity leave and care for the girls during Josh’s chief year (sans au pair), and Josh and I were starting to interview for real jobs. This job-hunt prompted the serious discussions about how we still wanted to do global surgery, and so I started researching the topic obsessively, and getting overwhelmed by all the information and options regarding huge, life-altering decisions. So I started the website and blog, wrote a few posts, graduated, started the podcast, and had a baby.

As we will emphasize time and again, we started this project because we needed a way to organize the information we were finding and because we wanted to tell the stories of inspiring humanitarian health providers. We are not the stars of this show; we are the naive amateurs trying to join the bigger leagues.

Despite that awareness about ourselves and vision for Indie Docs, I had a conversation last night with Josh that made me a little sad. He expressed regret for not “doing more” in residency. Back in 2005, his motivation for taking his very first college-level science class (Basic Chem 101) was to become a doctor and do global health work (after reading Mountains Beyond Mountains). That goal wove it’s way into countless conversations regarding specialty choice and long-term plans beyond residency. Josh spent a month in Uganda as a 4th year elective in med school (while I was on another away-rotation) with the Cure hospital, and he had a fantastic experience. Mayo has generous funding for short humanitarian surgery electives but no formal program for long engagements during residency; I enjoyed two such trips, one to Ukraine and another to to Guatemala, but Josh hasn’t travelled for a medical trip since Uganda.

My response to Josh was to list all the reasons for us not traveling more. In 2012 we became a two-resident household, both in surgical specialties, and I was proud of us for just keeping it together through training and the birth of our first child. We needed lots of help, from our au pair and day care and one another, and I honestly didn’t feel like galavanting around the globe was a huge priority. I didn’t have any doubts about humanitarian work as a long-term goal that felt like a road-test was needed.  Honestly, before I became a chief resident I wasn’t super useful on medical trips, which is a bad feeling after taking all the effort to go. This is the same sentiment I had back in college and I was teaching math and English in Nairobi when I decided to become a doctor; I wanted to do something concrete and unequivocally helpful (education IS definitely important, but there were plenty of local educators who needed the work, and it didn’t quite feel like my purpose in life). In another sense, I felt like Josh and I took somewhat of a mental break from the subject of global surgery, and if we were really meant to do it I thought we would return to that goal. And we did. So in short, I supposed I felt like we were biding our time, doing the necessary hard work of getting excellent training, and enjoying some aspects of life in the meantime (namely starting our family).

Despite these points, I don’t want to dismiss Josh’s feelings. It is entirely possible that the above paragraph is nothing but a pile of excuses and we absolutely should have done more. We could have gone for MPH degrees during training, adopted a passion project overseas, made a serious effort to travel together, been more generous with our money, volunteered more here in town, etc. Like Dr. Dupont discussed in his podcast episode, we could have foregone buying a house, gotten more serious about slashing our debts, and maybe set ourselves up to travel sooner. I will absolutely admit there is more that we could have done.

So why didn’t we? Like I alluded to earlier, being so busy and stretched so thin probably had a lot to do with it. There is a buzzy word that I think applies here: that of the “scarcity mindset.” We never had enough time to spend together. Our money was relatively tight and I’m a big saver; it’s hard for me to spend money on travel. With the birth of our first daughter, I was worried about having enough in the budget to cover 80 hours per week of childcare (we definitely dipped into our savings those two years). Additionally, I simply didn’t have the bandwidth to pay much attention to this idea.

In a way, Josh’s regrets represent the real and present danger we are in professionally. If we slacked off and made excuses during residency, how much more likely will those mistakes be as we acquire more responsibility. Josh often refers to a statement by Sam Adams founder Jim Koch that some things are scary but not dangerous and others are dangerous but not scary (paraphrasing, he will have a full-post about this up soon); I think this situation falls under that latter category. It doesn’t feel scary to grind out an over-loaded daily life, but we might look around a decade later and realize we haven’t accomplished our goals and haven’t found our greater purpose (or get majorly burned out).

So whatever the reasons, legitimate or not, that we’ve had for inaction in the past, the time is here for transformation. We are beginning to plan for our first humanitarian trip together as a family; I will write about our destination, financial strategy, and timing in upcoming posts. I was recently challenged by Episode 1 of the So Money Podcast (hosted by Farnoosh Torabi) with Tony Robbins, in which he says that being generous helps us to avoid the scarcity mindset by convincing our subconscious that we have enough to give, and if we don’t give when we have a little money, we certainly won’t give when we have a lot of money (paraphrasing again). So we will also establish some causes to support on a regular basis rather than just the helter-skelter giving we’ve been doing until this point. And of course, we will continue to make a big effort to post useful content on this website and tell the stories of inspiring humanitarians making the difference with their hard work.

One thing I must address briefly at this point is the reason that we won’t be moving to a medical mission immediately out of training. I will do a complete post on this topic soon, but suffice it to say that it doesn’t make sense from a financial or professional standpoint. We have debts, namely student loans, and very little savings.  At the same time, we have the potential to make what is frankly a huge income between the two of us, and I feel like there’s no way I could justify asking for charitable donations when we could essentially be self-funded in a few short years. We’ve determined that achieving financial independence is really the only pathway that makes a lot of sense for us. And, although we both were raised in Christian homes and are heavily influenced by many Christian ideals, we wouldn’t meet the standards to qualify for the same funding programs as our evangelical friends. Additionally, Josh needs to take neurosurgery boards in a couple of years, and we would both like to get some good experience as full-fledged surgeons before jumping out on our own in a low-resource setting. 

The project of creating Indie Docs has jolted us with motivation, and accountability, to push ourselves to learn more and do more. Establishing our plan of action with clear intentions and wisdom is requiring intense effort, but one that I hope will pay off not only for us, but also for other physicians struggling to find the best way to make this life-goal a sustainable reality.

 

Burnout, Recovery, and a Better Life

Trigger warning: This post contains references to burnout, depression, and a brief and non-specific account of my friend’s suicide. 

I was reluctant to write this post, but I can’t get past it to write others until this one is out there. I’ve been mentally ruminating on what I should say for weeks. I’m convinced this topic, although widely discussed and written about by physicians, is still in the stage where sharing our personal experiences might be what helps someone else fend off their own struggle with burnout and depression, as there are few institutionalized solutions or strategies for dealing with it. And perhaps for myself, sharing without shame is a form of therapy.

2010, residency interview trail.  In my smart gray suit and burgundy blouse, I focused on maintaining eye contact and a slight smile as I introduced myself to my interviewer, a heavy-set man with a bushy mustache and friendly face, somewhere in the Southeast. First question, “So I’ve looked through your CV, and I have to ask you…what are you doing here? You and I both know you’re not going to rank this program.” Well, actually I’m couples matching with a neurosurgery candidate, so I’ll be ranking all programs and your program has a good cardiac surgery department and research capabilities, so…awkward.  Ok next question. “You are like the medical version of a gym-rat. You like never leave the hospital. Don’t you know you’re going to burn out?”

I was adamant that I was doing what I liked. Of course I was not going to burn out, thank you very much.

2014, 3rd year of general surgery training. I was edging ever closer to entering the integrated cardiac surgery track I had committed to during my 4th-year med school away-rotation. The advice from my wonderfully supportive mentor, Dr. S, back home echoed in my mind, “If you go up there to do this, you have to follow through. Don’t punk out. Don’t be one of those women who gets washed out.” The problem was, I was conflicted about cardiac vs. trauma in med school, and I remained so those first few years in residency. I reasoned that in the worst-case scenario, I could just do the integrated cardiac training and then be a trauma surgeon; it’s just an extra year of training, that’s doable, right? In any case, I was not going to quit.

I have had a few other instances in life of not knowing when to quit. In the first grade, my teacher gave explicit and strict instructions to not interrupt her lesson for any reason; I’m pretty sure she gave the example of not even for the bathroom. And then I had to go really bad. But I said nothing, and her lesson seemed like it yawned toward eternity, and of course, I ended up sitting in a HUGE puddle of urine as my neighbor silently laughed his head off. I was quite confused when my mother and my teacher both admonished me to simply raise my hand and ask to leave next time I had to go that bad.

To get a discount on my prom dress, I posed as a “human mannequin” in the mall. I could go hours without moving a muscle. Teenage boys would try to get me to move or smile, and I was so determined that I would have tears rolling down my face from dry eyes before I gave in. I was also undefeated in staring contests; I still do not know my upper limit of standing still.

3rd year of med school, Dr. S informed me that there were no residents on his service that week, so if I showed up I could scrub all day every day and be 1st assistant. Needless to say I was PUMPED. By the end of the week, I was taking 600 mg of ibuprofen before every case to deal with the neck pain, but having a blast. We had a case that was going great, and so true to routine he ordered for the room to be warmed up in preparation to come off pump, but then we weren’t actually able to come off pump for quite a while. The surgeon ran through various maneuvers and waited patiently for the right constellation of labs and monitor feedback. Minutes stretched into hours, and I could feel beads of perspiration dripping down my shirt and legs. The room was over 80 degrees. I started to feel faint, and so I held a valsalva maneuver to get my blood pressure up; that helped. I tightened my leg muscles, shifted back and forth, flexed my calves, and kept myself from passing out at the table. This went on for another couple of hours. If I relaxed, I got light-headed and the room would start going dark, so I’d tighten everything back up. Finally, at a point where I was starting to hear that high-pitched screech that comes right before you really pass out, the surgeon told me to go scrub out and take a little break, since it was obvious it would be another 30 minutes. I went to the locker room, collapsed on a bench and ripped off my dripping wet scrubs. I looked down at my legs and saw that they were covered in petechia up to my thighs. I put on fresh scrubs, guzzled a glass of water, and went back in to finish the case.

There are other examples, but I’ll wrap up this digression by saying that I might be one of those few people that Angela Duckworth references in Grit who really doesn’t know when to quit.

So back to 3rd year, I was flying high after coming off of one of the hardest but most enjoyable rotations in residency, where I was the senior resident with one of our most respected and demanding surgeons in the program. I had also just returned from my trip to Ukraine with Novick Cardiac Alliance, where I learned how much potential there is for advanced-level surgery care in lower-resource settings.

OR in Ukraine, with a viewing theatre in the ceiling.

Having wanted a career exactly like Dr. Bill Novick’s since med school (He founded cardiac programs in low-resource countries all over the world), I should have been sure of my direction, but small doubts were persistent as to whether cardiac was the right field for me. I was more interested in the bombings on the Ukrainian border a short drive away from our site than in our pediatric cardiac cases. I couldn’t deny that I was a little bored with cardiac, which was a very troubling concept, but one that I shoved aside. I couldn’t quit.

I felt great going into my thoracic surgery rotation, which was a big test for whether the integrated cardio-thoracic spot would officially be mine. Only a couple of days into the rotation, I felt myself faltering. After a couple of weeks, I was drowning. Nothing I did was right, nothing I said was right, I was never where I was supposed to be when I was supposed to be there, and I felt like my brain was 10 steps behind me at all times. I confided in trusted mentors that I didn’t know why I was failing so miserably. I didn’t get it and I was frustrated and terrified of failure.

One of the fellows, T, knew Dr. S from back home. He gave me compliments every day, telling me how highly Dr. S thought of me and all the nice things he would still tell people about me. T was a meticulous clinician, and shared with me his routine for rounding, which was truly exceptional. I tried to emulate him. He was probably the nicest person I’ve ever met, especially within the hospital, and his encouragement kept me going.

At our program, we have chief conferences for every rotation, where we go to the fancy auditorium, get onstage in our suits, present our cases from the rotation, and field questions from the staff. It’s a nerve-wracking event for all the senior residents, and we spend hours and hours preparing. I met with multiple staff to go over my case list. I studied for 15 hours one Saturday that I wasn’t working because I needed to make up for my poor performance on the rotation. I kept trying to meet with one particular staff member who would be leading the questioning for my conference, and who always met with residents regarding the conference in the past. She rescheduled with me no less than 10 times, even rescheduling a phone-call with me, and always at the last minute. Finally, the day of the conference she sat down with me, looked at my list, said it looked good with a finality in her voice that did not invite further discussion. I left that meeting knowing that I was about to get massacred; it was just obvious. Sure enough, despite my preparation, I fielded a rapid-fire of questions on controversial topics, and my brain was stuck in red-alarm mode. I could see the paper sitting in my bag discussing how there was no professional consensus on a certain topic, but my mouth just couldn’t say the words that demonstrated what I knew.

The next morning, my typically formal, reserved and always gentle attending greeted me with the words, “I was so PISSED last night! That was BEYOND inappropriate.” I had cried my eyes out after the conference, but I felt responsible for it all. I should have been able to do better. I should have done lots of things better. I took the blame despite more admonishing that it wasn’t fair to me. What’s fair got to do with it?

The remainder of that year was a downward spiral mentally. I had never outright failed professionally before. I continued to force myself to fight for something I didn’t really want. I relived all the moments of shame and humiliation over and over again, all day every day. I became irritable and would pick fights with my husband. During a car ride, I even heard myself say, “I am yelling at you because you’re the only person I can yell at that will listen.” Things had gotten very dark for me.

I was at my workstation getting vital signs one morning when I got a page. Our friend T was missing; he hadn’t shown up for work. So uncharacteristic and worrisome. I paged my other friend on a rotation with T to find out what was going on. I got another page, returned it, was told to sit down.  Two days after supper club and movie night where we had a great time, laughed and joked, where I consciously perceived that his presence was like a port in the storm for me, T took his own life. I wailed in the workroom, felt sick, then felt numb. I rounded. Cried, felt numb. Scrubbed into my first case, cried at the sink, went numb. Did the case. My attending asked what was up. I told him, cried, went numb again. Did another case, actually thankful for the distraction. My group of friends stayed in close contact all that week, tried to get together as much as possible. We were all scared, although we could say exactly why or what we thought would happen to us at this point. I couldn’t understand how such a kind and gentle person could…it’s still too painful to write.

I slipped further into a dark, heavy, and bleak state. I functioned at work, had rebounded to some level of good performance, but every day I felt like I couldn’t keep up with all the tasks on my to-do list. My mind frantically begged for a pause button. Weekends off weren’t enough to recharge; vacation time didn’t help either. Every day started with a panic over how much needed to get done and seemed to end almost instantly, with nothing but shame on my part for not getting to this or that. My life felt like it was careening forward at breakneck speed, and I couldn’t slow it down, keep up, or catch up.

I had no emotional reserve. I received feedback that I seemed miserable from my intern, but I felt like I was doing all I could to simply function at work. My marriage suffered.

Then, my elderly, cancer-ridden, sweet greyhound, Pfeiffer, died. We knew it was coming for months. But this tipped me over from what was probably severe burnout to full-blown depression.

One of my trauma mentors, Dr. M., had talked to me a few times over the years about a particularly hard rotation he had in residency, and he described his emotional state during that time as “suicidal-enough.” He didn’t have a plan, but said if his car happened to run off the road or something like that, he wouldn’t have been disappointed. That’s also how I started feeling. But I also became convinced that my husband would be better off without me, my friends were only friends because they felt sorry for me and were nice people, and although my parents loved me they would actually be better off without me too. I had intrusive thoughts about my car running off the road every time I drove. I thought, maybe with some measure of hope (if that’s what we can call it), that perhaps I would develop a terminal illness.

I also felt trapped. My fate as a cardiac surgeon was still unclear, or at least for the integrated spot. I wasn’t ready to quit because I didn’t want to be a quitter. I agreed to go back to thoracic for another audition rotation. I did fine but not stellar. Whatever, I didn’t care.

I recognized my symptoms of depression and was acutely aware of the danger I was in, especially after my friend, who was much kinder and gentler than me, had recently succumbed to it’s pain. I took an online questionnaire that pegged me as “severely depressed,” and instructed me to seek medical attention. I shared this information with my mother and told her I needed advice but I didn’t want to go to the doctor. Could we just talk it through? I thought her wisdom and love could pull me out of it. I didn’t want “depression” in my medical record, and I didn’t want to tick that box on professional forms in the future.

I researched strategies to combat depression. I exercised regularly, tried to get outside on every sunny day, eat healthy, connect with friends, talk about it with my mom, Josh, and my best girl-friend.

I longed for some canine companionship and so decided to volunteer to walk dogs with the local greyhound rescue group. I met up with them and instantly connected with a big yellow staghound. I picked him up on the first 50-degree Saturday of the year, and we went to a hiking trail.

My first hike with Ramble, when the sun literally and figuratively came out for me.

There was still a nice covering of snow on the ground that sparkled in the warm sunshine. It was a glorious day.  I smiled and my face literally hurt because I couldn’t stop smiling and laughing as we clumsily jogged up and down the rutted out, snowy trails.

We stopped at a bridge and just sat together, and the dog literally hugged me, draping his giant neck over my head and just resting there long enough for me to snap a selfie.

Staghound hugs are healing.

Ramble had a gift for making everyone feel important. Indeed, he convinced everyone that they were important with his confident affection. I thought about many things sitting on that bridge, including what my options were in life. I could do so many things still… I could learn a foreign language, write creatively, read some books, adopt this dog! I could be a trauma surgeon if I wanted. Suddenly, there were a dozen sunny paths before me instead of the claustrophobic walls of a dark dungeon.

Of course I got the dog, and named him Ramble. I created the life-motto of, “If I’m too busy for a dog, I’m too busy.” I decided I would never cross that line again; it was too dangerous. I made room for all the things mentioned above. I apologized to my husband and started doing fun things with him, like seeing as many indie-rock shows as humanly possible. It was a blast.

I sat through the meeting where I was told I did not get the integrated cardiac spot. One loud thought started flashing across my brain…I’m going to start a family! So we did. And I went all-in on trauma/critical care, and that felt so, so good. Trauma is just more fun, and I loved every day of my fellowship year. And  thus, What-is-More-Fun finally became a guiding light.

What actually changed for me that day with Ramble? Only one thing: Perspective. All of those possibilities in life were always there, but I couldn’t see any of them. I went from trapped to in-charge. It was a sudden revolution, but one that I’ll never forget.

I made some mistakes on this journey. I got lucky that I made it through; but not seeking medical help was a huge risk that is not worth taking. I know of residents with the most stellar reputations, who have won the biggest campus-wide leadership and teaching awards possible, who are open about being on anti-depressants. Anyone with symptoms of depression should seek professional help. One other excuse that I made was that my symptoms hadn’t been going on that long, so I couldn’t really be depressed, it was all situational, blah blah blah. Again, I urge anyone who recognizes these symptoms in themselves or a friend or relative, seek and encourage others to seek professional help. It’s just too important, you are too important, to settle for less.

I hope that I am able to spot the symptoms of burnout among my future residents. With my performance level dropping, seeming tired and overwhelmed by the schedule, even after asking for help and understanding from my staff, the signs were fairly apparent. Yet, I had only one single attending ask me during the course of the year whether I might be depressed after I confided that I felt overwhelmed with my to-do list every day (and at that point I summarily denied it). It seems that this is a common experience during 3rd year of general surgery, but it can happen at any time. I hope that by sharing openly about this issue, that someone feels less alone, and less trapped. The biggest lesson to overcome burnout for me was that I was in charge of my life. No one else could be expected to carry me to my desired destination, but I absolutely had the freedom, and responsibility, to make it happen. I learned the importance of knowing oneself and being honest about what I really want rather than what is expected of me.

Another concept from Dr. Angela Duckworth’s Grit is that having an overarching purpose in life helps one have grit, because even if you fail at something specific along the way, you will just find another way to continue the long arc of achieving your greater purpose. I’ve always wanted to do humanitarian medical missions. Indie Docs is about intentionally, methodically, making it happen. Several studies and sources have published that humanitarian medicine can combat burnout among physicians, and the reasons are fairly obvious. By helping those with less resources, we get that “givers high” and feel like we have an awesome purpose, and I truly believe there is nothing better in life than that.

There are many other great posts and discussions on burnout, but the one that really got my attention several months ago was the ChooseFI podcast with guest The Happy Philosopher, where he talked about his burnout and recovery; this got me reading his blog, and there are numerous fantastic posts about purpose, meaning, and his own story about burnout. This is a great resource to start with if you are struggling with it. I hope that my little contribution to the subject might connect with someone and help you know that you’re not alone, you’re not weird for feeling this way (over half of physicians have symptoms of burnout!), you’re human, you’re the boss, and you can make your life into a fantastic story that you’ll be happy and proud to live out.

Feel free to email me at joy@indiedocs if you’re struggling or just want to share your experience, or share your own story in comments below. If you have thoughts of self-harm, please call the  Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255 or seek help at your local emergency department. 

 

Indie Docs: The Podcast!

Our first podcast recording.

Joy has really been the catalyst behind getting this website site started. On a drive home from Minneapolis one day, she started talking about an idea for a blog that could serve as a resource for people interested in global healthcare. She had done a lot of research, figured out how to obtain the domain name, start the website, etc, but she couldn’t figure out what to call it.

She was so excited about the concept; honestly, I didn’t think one thing or the other about it. I liked the idea, but didn’t intend to get involved much. But because I could tell it was important to her, I participated in brainstorming names, trying to help her dig-in to what was driving this desire in her to make a website and blog. Eventually, we came to Indie Docs, combining the thought of indie music (the liberated, do-it-yourself attitude that has changed the music industry over the past few decades and resulted in many of our favorite bands and tunes), and, of course, the concept we are hoping to achieve of being free to pursue global health projects. Like I said though, I thought of this website as her passion project, not mine, or even ours.

Part of my–dare I say it–disinterest, stemmed from the fact that at this time I had commenced my final and toughest year of training as a chief resident. Combine that with the fact that we have a little girl, and at the time, another on the way (who is now here as of September 24th!), and trying to find a job, I didn’t have much mental energy for other things. But Joy’s enthusiasm is infectious and, within the seed of her idea, I started to see the many possibilities in it.

I’ve always been a big fan of talk radio, mostly NPR shows like This American Life, Fresh Air, and Radiolab; eventually I have found my way to podcasts, of course, and I devoured Serial, S-Town, Malcom Gladwell’s Revisionist HistoryMissing Richard Simmons, and many, many others. It’s such a populist art form and a brilliant way to tell stories, share ideas, and explore all the little nooks and crannies that exist in our world. I mean, 15 years ago, would anyone ever have produced a radio show about figuring out why Richard Simmons has disappeared from public life? Or spend a whole series on telling the life-story of an eccentric paranoid genius in Sh**town, Alabama?

Stories have always influenced the direction I think I want to take in life. When I was young and watched Karate Kid, I wanted to take karate. When I saw Top Gun, I wanted to be a pilot. I abandoned both pursuits eventually (made if further in karate than in becoming a pilot). Maybe growing up is choosing a story that inspires you, and sticking with it. It was the story of Paul Farmer as told by Tracy Kidder in Mountain Beyond Mountains that led me to become a doctor. It’s the stories we were both raised on of Jesus physically ministering to the poorest, least powerful, least cared-for that I think serve as the bedrock for why we want to work in global healthcare.

Truthfully, we are just now figuring out how to enact both of these sensibilities and, other than becoming doctors, we haven’t done that much in the way of caring for the poor other than a couple of short-term trips, relief efforts from afar, small amounts of charitable giving, etc. We’ve been trying to get through school and training, but now that we are finishing up with that part, we are starting to look at each other as we enter our mid-to-late thirties and say, If not now, when? And  beyond that, How do we start?

I don’t know how or when the idea of doing a podcast for the site came to my mind. There was no inciting event, or thunderbolt from the sky. I’ve always tried to learn the stories of people working in global neurosurgery. When I was a medical student, I went to the CURE hospital in Uganda, and learned about Dr. Ben Warf, who was the first neurosurgeon I came across that showed me neurosurgery was not only possible, but could thrive in an low-resource setting.  When I go to national neurosurgery meetings, they almost always have a session on international neurosurgery efforts, and I am amazed during the presentations by the intelligence and effort of people like Drs. Kee Park, Dilan Ellegala, and Michael Haglund who are changing the paradigm of global neurosurgery. My former senior resident, Will Copeland,  made the decision to go right out of residency to live and work in Kenya (with his wife and six kids!), and has shown me it’s really possible.  Joy and I think these stories, and stories of people like them, hold the key to figuring out how we are going to achieve our ambitions of joining the global health community.

And so the past few weeks, I’ve learned about microphones and pop-filters, Garage Band and Zencaster, how to use the Seriously Simple Podcasting app for Word Press (how to use Word Press at all really), how to register a podcast with Apple, make a logo, and on and on. I’ve also learned that I am as passionate about this as Joy is, that it is our project. We set out together to become physicians, and eventually a neurosurgeon and trauma surgeon, so we could gain skills we enjoy and that would be useful in global healthcare. Now we are setting out to discover how to employ them, and as part of that, finding, sharing, and learning the stories of people who are already doing just that in a variety of ways.

The podcast will include episodes in which Joy and I tell our story as it unfolds, interview others about their experiences, and reflect on how these interviews are shaping our thinking about what we are going to do next. We have several great interviews lined up already, starting with Sean Dupont, a general surgeon who Joy did residency with, who is just getting started working in Niger,  as well as Will Copeland and Kee Park, both of whom I mentioned above. We will talk about how they manage their lives and families, finances and careers, and what inspires them to do the work. Stay tuned!

~ Josh

 

 

Why “Indie Docs?”

The idea for this website emerged from feeling completely overwhelmed by all the decisions and seemingly difficult lifestyle demands of pursuing humanitarian medicine. Josh and I talked about options for full time missions, part time missions, advanced degree programs, traveling fellowships, how we would raise our daughter…the challenges seemed infinite.

I thought about this website and blog as a means to organize the vast information and generate discussion among a like-minded community, and for months I waited for the right domain name to pop into my head. I was frustrated that I couldn’t come up with something that encompassed all the ideas behind humanitarianism, global medicine, travel, professional independence, and philanthropy. Luckily, my husband has a habit of solving these types of problems, and on a long car ride I explained to him all the ideas I was trying to tie together. His face brightened up, eyebrows raised, and he said, “Hey, what about “Indie Docs?” My response: Yeah, good one! After all, physicians pursuing global and/or humanitarian projects need independence, both professional and financial, and a willingness to go against the mainstream. There is also a spirit of fun in the name. It doesn’t emphasize philanthropy or humanitarianism overtly, but I think this broadens our purpose a bit while still providing room for these motivations behind pursuing one’s professional ambitions as a physician, whatever they might be.

Of course I would be dishonest if I didn’t share our love of Indie music as a big influencer in the moniker. Josh and I fell in love at a Christian Indie-rock music festival in Memphis, TN, 15 years ago, and we’ve been bonding over great music ever since. The year before we had our first baby, we decided to go to every music show possible for a year, which despite our demanding residency schedules, was quite a few shows in our area near Minneapolis, MN, one of the best indie music cities in the country (thanks in part to the amazing 89.3 TheCURRENT radio station), and some shows in Nashville, TN. We rocked out to Wilco, Dr. Dog, Feist, Trampled by Turtles, Lucius, Father John Misty, Benjamin Booker, Houndmouth, and maybe a dozen other awesome indie bands. We went to Festival Palamino (VIP tickets!) and Eaux Claires music festival (put on by Justin Vernon of Bon Iver fame).

She’s ready for the show.

Why is indie music special? Without writing a tome on the subject, the artists work hard to simply make and promote good freakin’ music and challenge themselves creatively. Indie musicians have created an amazing community of artists and fans who share their ideals of loving the music rather than chasing commercial appeal and financial success. (For instance, FEIST refused to play her most commercially successful single, “1-2-3-4,” at both of her shows that we saw. Given the chance, I would request at least a performance of the Sesame Street version, “Counting to 4,” which my daughter absolutely loves).

My mom recently paid me one of the highest compliments of my life when she said she listens to Lucius’s “On the Run,” with tears in her eyes thinking of Josh and me. I can’t even count how many times I’ve listened to that song with a little mist in my eyes thinking of the exhausting effort of this path and all the hurting people I can’t reach.

So, if the Indie revolutions in  music, journalism, film making, and other creative fields occurred because the talented artists wanted to take back control of what they produced, give it to the people who needed and appreciated it most, and embrace the idealism that filled their young imaginations in the first place, the medical field might be similarly primed for this same transformation. Rumblings of discontent are growing in the medical community-at-large due to the endless pressures to increase billing and revenue at the expense of spending quality time with our patients. We see small pockets of counter-culture movements, including boutique healthcare, as a response, but there is definitely  a major grassroots movement of many idealistic (no longer a dirty word) physicians towards working in the global health and humanitarian arena.

Cliche as it may be, we went to med school to help people. Doctors have worked too hard and sacrificed too much to get to the end of training and face an unfulfilling career they never imagined or desired. As the oft-quoted study in JACR concludes, participating in global health projects reduces burnout,* and for anyone who has participated in even the smallest humanitarian mission, it’s easy to remember that pure joy of working with clear and present purpose and feeling effective. It is my hope that Indiedocs.org becomes a place for professionals to connect, encourage one another, and share the tips and tricks to maximize our ability to change all the little worlds we can reach with the hardest-working kind of love.

Happy Trails,

Joy

-On the Run-

“And now we pass so many people on the road
They could come along, I wish they’d been told
They may call it a shot in the dark
From what we know, it’s not unheard of

And we’ll one day tell our story
Of how we made something of ourselves now.”Lucius

 

*https://www.jacr.org/article/S1546-1440(17)31353-4/fulltext

http://www.thecurrent.org